Technology Without the Hype: Smarter Learning in the AI Era with Muhammad Atif

Tired of tools that promise transformation but deliver more tabs?
In this episode of EdTech Empowerment, host Juan Rodriguez sits down with Muhammad Atif, President and CTO of PureLogics, to unpack what actually makes technology and AI work in education.

Together, they explore how AI can simplify learning, reduce busywork, and personalize experiences without overwhelming educators or learners. Muhammad shares a practical blueprint for technology integration that starts with defining the learning problem before choosing the tools, emphasizing clear goals, thoughtful design, and meaningful metrics like learner confidence and time on task.

The conversation gets tactical, covering real-world uses of AI such as summaries, targeted quizzes, custom chatbots, dashboards that surface skill gaps, and systems that support accessibility and privacy. They also dig into common mistakes schools make when adopting technology and how to avoid bloated platforms that create friction instead of momentum.

The episode closes with a look ahead at the future of education technology, highlighting adaptive learning, multilingual access, and AI tools that make teaching more human, not less.

If technology doesn’t make learning clearer, it’s not doing its job.

Transcript

Meet The Guest And Focus

What AI Should Mean For Learners

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Technology is supposed to make learning easier. But for a lot of educators and learners, it feels like it's doing the opposite. Welcome to EdTech Empowerment, Innovating Education Together, where we focus on technology that actually empowers learning. This is a 25-26 season and we're keeping it real. No hype, no jargon, just honest conversation about what works and what doesn't. I'm your host, Juan Rodriguez from Next in Classrooms, and today we're talking about how technology and AI can help people work smarter, learn faster, and feel more confident. Joining us is Mohamed Atif, president and CTO of Pure Logic. Mohammed works closely with adult learners professionals using AI real-world tools to simplify complex ideas and turn learning into something practical and empowering. If you ever felt overwhelmed by new technology or unsure where to start, this conversation's for you. So let's get into it. Yeah, I'm doing great. Thank you all for me. Oh, for sure, for sure. Thank you for joining us, man. Thank you for you're coming from Pure Logics. Um, there's a lot of great things going on with AI and Pure Logics. Can you just kind of like tell us tell our audience a little bit about what's going on right now at Pure Logics?

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Yeah, so at Pure Logics, like we are like adopting AI in all or all of our departments, starting from HR to operations to engineering to support department to all other. And the purpose behind that is just to expedite and to have more ROI out of that. But at the same time, we are making sure we are keeping a balance between the human and the AI. It's not like too much overwhelming, it's not adding just like another tool and adding a pressure on top of them. Yeah, but it's exciting, it's it's innovating.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Awesome. So, uh Mohammed, before we just dive into more about that, right? I want to break the ice. I want to get our audience and get you comfortable um with this conversation that we're about to have and featuring you on our podcast. So let's not get any further than that. Let's let's break this ice real quick so we can get to know each other. Um, and I'm gonna start off with this question. When people hear AI in education, many, especially educators, they feel overwhelmed, they feel like it's a lot. In one sentence, what should it actually mean for learners?

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Yeah, so for learners, one AI should simply make learning clearer, more personalized, and less stressful. It's not to add another layer to figure out or to see the results. So it's more about like uh learning becomes more clear, it's more personalized, and it's less frustrating.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Yeah, it shouldn't feel like it's too much for you. It should feel like you're having an assistant with you or like and a teacher assistant with by your side supporting everything that you're doing. So I totally agree with everything that you said.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Yeah, so like for learners, like AI should quietly like it should remove the confusion, it should save the time, uh, so they can focus on actual understanding, not figuring out the system. It should make the learning like it's it's kind of sportive and it's adding the flexibility. It's not kind of like overwhelming, right? So, like what what what does it mean that I mean instead of having uh like same kind of uh static content or static courses or static material for every student, AI should understand the need for each particular student and should try to personalize that, making their life easier so they can understand, they can become more adaptive, they can get the like uh learning path the right way.

Sharing Knowledge And Simplifying Concepts

SPEAKER_00 3:48

That's right on, right? If it's used the right way, you can definitely personalize the learner for each student and create individualized curriculums um and lessons for these students. Yes. Um, like I want to get into your your philosophy into technology integration. Like, what do you believe knowledge should be shared generously? Um, where did that belief come from?

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Yeah, so like I believe that learning comes from people who share, right? Who take extra time, who like uh share the knowledge with the other people. Like from my personal like uh impact, like if I'm uh like sharing the knowledge with with other guys, it's it's multipliers, it's not like something that reduces, and then everyone comes up with their own ideas, and it also sharpens it it brings innovation when you collaborate. Access to knowledge, like it creates confidence, it creates opportunities, it creates momentum, and especially uh one when you are at your like early career growth, it all depends upon open guidance, not to like hold or not to gatekeep the knowledge. So shading the knowledge journalists, I I think it creates a lot of opportunities, it uh like uh uh uplift the one person to the next level as well.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Yeah, you said it creates opportunities, it creates innovation, and it uplifts, right? Yeah, I think overall what you're trying to say, it can perhaps simplify some concepts. Yeah. Right. Um you have said that before too. What does that look like in in real learning environments?

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Yeah, so you know the complex ideas, it should be like broken into the clear and digestible steps, right? So the learner sees that okay, what did they need to do next without guessing, right? It should support them so it helps appear that at the moment it's needed, not after the frustration, right? It uh it should also match the pace as well at the same time. And then we should also make sure that uh learners feel like progress instead of the pressure. So this is where I say that simplification should like make the life easier for the learners uh at that time.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Awesome, and I appreciate you sharing that.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

And one thing that resonated with me, you said that it should provide progress instead of um Yeah, because the progress instead of pressure, because it creates the confid on the learner and that they are making the progress, they are learning the new thing. It's not adding the pressure to them.

Why Tools Create Confusion

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Yeah, thank you for clarifying that. I'm I I can't read my own notes. Um and and one thing that I think you're trying to say is that um it perhaps technology can't create confusion, right? But instead it can create clarity. Why do you think these technologies, specifically AI, can create confusion instead of clarity in education?

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Yeah, so if you are like adopting uh platform without clearing your learning goals and uh without having a clear like first mindset, it can definitely create like confusions, right? And if those tools are like having uh lot of like different uh UIUX experience, like you have to juggle through different logins, different rules, different like kind of dashboards, it can create more mess and you will be like more like confused what to do next, and more like your your attention will be diverted to the different different things, right? Or if these tools like they they have poor integration and there is no clear like learning flow and there is breakage, like if the student goes to point A and from point A they needs to go to the point P and there is no clear direction, there is no clear guidance. And I mean it's if it is not properly like resonating with the end students, the user experience, the overall journey that student has to go, that should be kept into mind while adopting the AI. That it is easy to use, it is adaptable, it is adding value, and at the day end the student feel comfortable and they are getting the value that they are going to take from these tools through the adoption of these AI.

Pure Logics’ Human-Centered Design

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of barriers in a way when using these new technologies. Can you explain to us what Pure Logic is doing to avoid these barriers and make it easier for an educator or for a student when they're using um this technology?

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Yeah, so at Pure Logics, like we have uh, first of all, a complete product department, right? Uh their core job is to study all the, like when when we're when we are designing any kind of e-learning or ad tech solution, we try to study all the competitors. We see what is the user adoptability, where the user is like spending more of time, which features they are liking. And then we have dedicated UI UX department, whose job is to curate the design and the user flow and the user journey according to the student needs. And then we in order to make sure that students likes them, we we try to have different kinds of surveys. Like we can run quick like surveys, we can study uh group, we can do the group studies, and we can see what students like, what they don't like. And even after designing those systems here at Pure Logics, uh, we have different kinds of like uh AI tools which get get us the insights that okay, if the system is like uh stuck at any stage where the student is not finding a way to go to the next next steps, or if where they are spending most of the time, and then we try to make that journey more easier into that product. So this is how like we are trying to solve the user journey and making sure it's intuitive, it's like uh modern, it's adding value, and the end user, the students are using it and they are achieving the goal of learning and making their life more simple and having more confidence they are making the progress.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yeah, I love that. I love that. And it seems like um you're kind of trying to do everything possible so that the user um is in has having a good experience and is enjoying the technology.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yeah, so Juan, it's not all about that. I mean, if I'm building an e-learning solution, I can add like tons of features to it, I can add AI, I can add like automation, chat ports, whatever. But if they are not usable, if the end student doesn't know how to go from one journey to the next journey, and if they are not like easy to use or it's not like uh simplified for them, they are not going to use it. They will be like more mostly confused. The point that we were discussing before. So we need to make sure that uh the user is comfortable using the system and they are getting the value, and system is driving them, okay. This this is where they are, and this is the lecture they need to do.

Common Adoption Mistakes In Schools

SPEAKER_00 10:48

And that's great, right? You're not blowing, like, you're not showing off these uh bells and whistles, you're not kind of like putting all these extra stuff to it, but you're like really focused on making sure that the user is having a good experience using your product, right? And that's really great because sometimes I feel like that's being avoided. While you're collecting this feedback from your users and you're studying your users throughout this process, what have you found are the biggest mistakes schools or educators make when introducing your new technology?

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yeah, so I think uh the biggest mistake, first of all, uh the schools and educators they don't have a clear like goal what problem they are trying to solve, which is definitely learning. The second thing is that uh sometimes the educators are not being kept into the loop. The educators feel a bit insecure that technology is going to replace them instead of giving them confidence that it's going to enhance their productivity and going to make the experience with their learners or students more innovative and more like real-time with the uh real-time feedback and more personalized for them. And the third thing is that buying or spending too much on overcomplex tools, the point that I was making, that if it is serving the goal of it is like aligned or resonate uh with the needs that that that particular school or educators have. So these are the three areas that should be properly studied before deciding or investing too much into any kind of tool. And if you figure out these, I mean you can find the right tool, take the educator into the confidence, and then there may be some training that we need to run for the educators, so they also become familiar with these tools, how to use them at their best, and how to get ROI or best value out of these tools. And then, like uh definitely for learners as well, we should have like some like maybe uh tutorials or onboarding flows, so they also become familiar with those. And on the day end, like we should also these tools should also give us the like some matrices or some dashboard that gave us that okay, what is the overall usage or improvements that that have been achieved using these AI or automation or tools that has been adopted over the time.

Start With The Learning Problem

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Yeah, and that's great. I mean, again, you're really like focused on the user, right? And that's gonna go into transition into my next question, but I want to emphasize again on those three things that you had mentioned, right? Let's give our listeners another opportunity to hear that again, right? Those three things are like teachers aren't provided with clear goals, they're not provided with anything that would make them more confident, and they're spending too much on complex tools. Yes. Um that's not that's not helping them understand the true value of it being used or the true value of how they can support their students. So these are three great things as to like the biggest mistakes why educators or schools are making when introducing new technology. Yes. So based on those three things, right, if educators or or an organization can follow just one rule when integrating a new technology or integrating pure logics, what should that one rule be?

Human Touch, Mental Health, And Trust

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Start with the learning problem. I mean, as I mentioned, learning is the core problem that okay, tool is not a problem. We should focus on okay, what is the problem? It's start with that and then try to like uh build confidence in the learners and uh in the educators as well. On the educator side, that they are going to be part of the system on the learner side, giving them the confidence that they are going to have a personalized relationship with their educators. It's not that everything will be given to them through the automation or tool. So there is a human touch as well. Yeah, so that that should be the main rule that focus on the learning side. Awesome, awesome. So focus on the learning side and then making sure that because if learner is feeling confused, the tech can fail. Similarly, if the educator they are feeling like insecure that they are going to be replaced through this automation or AI, again, it's not going to deliver the value that we are like that we want it to have. So the purpose should be that technology should remove friction, right? Not to add like more challenges or more like uh problems into it, right? And then we should measure the success, okay. How clear is our understanding, and what are the user stats, and how how it like the learner and educator are adopting it. That can give a clear KPIs as well. That okay, has this adoption made any like uh improvement in overall learning, in overall like collaboration between educators and learners, because uh the collaboration, the relationship between a learner and uh educator is very important, especially in the elementary school or middle school. You know, we have like a lot of mental health problems. Uh, I was studying like one of the surveys that from age 14 to 25, there is around 17 to 20 percent uh students are struggling with a mental head and they have suicidal thoughts. So having a more like human touch or more personalized touch and not putting everything on the AI or tools, I think that can reduce a lot of uh frustration, uh, where they can collaborate, they can discuss, and they can move towards uh a peace of mind and more simplified way to learn, where the educator also feels they are adding an impact to the learners, and learners are also confident they are learning and meeting their goals. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

That's awesome. So you're very adding value to the educator and the learner. And I like that you had mentioned some data and some statistics for young adult learners um ages 14 to 25, I believe you said it was. Um but you had you had mentioned that you work mostly with adult learners. Is that the focus for pure logics? Or do you guys work with K-12 and adult learners?

Who Pure Logics Serves And Case Studies

SPEAKER_01 16:50

So uh one we actually work with startups and uh some like schools as well. Uh startups who are trying to solve like uh e-learning or LFS or education technology problems. So they come up with different like innovative ideas, how to make the learning experience for end students more uh like simplified, more personalized, how to make things like more uh controllable and more like uh achievable for educators so they can meet their targets. So we we work with those uh startups and also as I uh one more thing, we have been working with state of New Jersey, uh, where we have been building uh a school management system for special students, and the purpose of that uh application or system that we have built is to monitor the behavior of those special students, and uh the teacher or the educators they can mark or they can rank the behaviors throughout the day of these students, and then the students get real awards, how well they are behaving, and then they can ramp up into different like hierarchy systems, and they they are like uh you can say uh they are given the rewards as well if they are going doing good, and then they are being scored on top of that. So we work with like uh these kind of uh like startups and schools on corporate level. Uh we have built some e-learning solution or LMS platform uh where the focus is uh to have a healthier environment for employees so they feel uh like more uh satisfied and they can do their they can produce their best at the workplace. So with the help of uh these startups, we have built a complete system which meters the behaviors of the employees or the these these uh like uh students, and then it it gave us the real-time feedback. Okay, this student or this employer should go through this particular exercise or this meditation, and this can improve their well-being, or they they will be feeling more like satisfied or fulfilled at the workplace or during the school timings. So these these kind of solutions we have been working on, and at the same time, uh we have also been uh developing some AI solutions. Using the AI, uh, we try to uh study the behavior of students and employees, and then these uh AI solutions are generating customized learning experiences for each different student depending upon their needs, uh, and similarly for the employees, like depending on their like needs, it's generating the customized meditation exercises, which give them like more satisfaction and more fulfillment through that, and then we measure that satisfaction score as well uh through this AI. So these kind of like uh different uh problems uh we have been working in the at tech and uh learning space. And one I mentioned at the start, we are also working in the healthcare a lot. I remember that we were uh working uh with a company, they they were focused on like uh uh practitioner and nurses uh certification uh where they have to pass certain healthcare exam to become certified. So, what we did that we built uh an initiative mobile application, whereas a nurse or practitioner, I can practice before I go to the real exam. And that application has around six to seven thousand of inventory of different questions which may come during those tests or during those exams. And using AI and some advanced algorithm, we try to generate a random uh test each time and then see okay which areas or which particular categories the student is lacking, and then they can prepare for that. Yeah, so these these are some like uh stuff that Fioreth is working in the at tech space.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Yes, and I like that I love that you clarified that for our audience. Um, so you work, you mentioned you work with a lot of starters. Um, specifically, I heard you talk about um some a project that you're working on in New Jersey with special needs students. Yes. It seems like while working with a lot of students, while working with the school districts, there's a lot of vulnerable information that's being floated around. Um, a lot of the stuff that you mentioned is some ways to empower students, empower educators, which can be very powerful. But with this vulnerable information that's being floated around, it can also be risky, right? You mentioned that the different capacity of how you work with different folks. Um, but what makes technology especially powerful or risky for any audience?

Data Security, Privacy, And Control

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Yeah, so I think for adult uh learners, the biggest benefit of technology is flexibility. They can learn around their work, their family, and real life. But there's also biggest risk, as you mentioned. I have seen like whatever teeth professional, they sign up very excitedly when they see something that they can learn this this thing, but then they drop off in the next. Like in in the first week, most of those. I mean, their motivation level just go like this this thing. Because the platform was confusing, it has too many steps, it's cumbersome, it's not giving a like clear idea or didn't show the quick progress. I think uh uh we should uh the the point that I was making at the start that we should design the system with with respect to that it respects their time, uh so the others they stay engaged. When it doesn't, they leave because they can't learn, but because the experience feels like extra work. I mean they they feel burdened or they feel like pressurized. Even sometimes people have paid uh you a good amount for adopting these courses, but if it's not adding value, they they just leave it within the first week. Second point, uh, I think all uh when you are building or designing this system, the security is very important. So all the data that that we are like uh capturing on different like action steps or different like uh journey steps, we try to like encrypt that data and we try to store it at a secure place. So and we have secure key wallets as well. And most of the time, uh depending on the need, sometimes we go with the cloud hosting, other time we go on-prem as well, and we try to adopt all the best practices. We also try to run uh like uh compliances on that, like add a compliance, which is very important. That for people who have like color or visibility issues, these system when they are being designed, they are keeping the needs of those those people as well, so they can use the system without any issues.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Okay. Uh thank you again. Um, I feel that some educators are hesitant to using any technology that collects data. Specifically, from what we know in the past, right, is that a lot of these technologies collect the data and it's sold to another company for marketing purposes. Um, so uh you have mentioned that the data is collected and is not being used for anything else other than making sure that the user experience is enhanced and is adding value to the user and the learners that are using the product.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Yeah. So I think it depends. I if you are uh like uh when when you are adopting any tool and if you are going uh you you should study their data policy. Like if they are going to keep your data secure and safe, and data is going to be your property, it will not be utilized for any other purposes, then go and adopt it. Some companies do they do have policies like even if you want to exit at any time, they don't share your data as well, or they they create a lot of problems. So one should be very mindful when signing any new tool about their data policy, their privacy policy, because data is is really important. And I agree with you. Some people do misuse, they like uh they have weak security protocols. Sometimes their databases get sacked, and all the information it's like available to everyone, and it's not good. And second thing is that other companies have like uh more more of authoritative and controlling policy. They say okay, the data will not be shared if you try to exit at any time. So that creates a lot of frictions. And the best option is to have your own private uh application, and it's good if you can like store it on your own cloud instance, private cloud instance, or you can deploy it on your local on-prem servers that makes everything under your control and your authority.

AI To Save Time And Personalize Teaching

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Thank you for sharing that. Thank you. Yeah, and I want to go back to what you had mentioned with AI. Um, one thing that specifically you had said previously was that a lot of educators, a lot of folks feel like AI is replacing them, right? Yep. And let's go, let's talk about that. How can AI help learners who are balancing work, family, and percep professional growth without adding stress?

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah, so I guess uh you know, the AI, first of all, it can generate like summaries, it can generate the personalized content, it can generate the quizzes for the complex, complex like uh learning paths, it can generate the visualization of existing content, right? It can also, like if if you can train uh as an educator, like if I'm an educator, I'm teaching mathematics, right? So a lot of queries are coming to me. So I can train my own model as well. So a lot of questions which are coming to me, I can just have a replica, my chat port, and my students or my learner group, they can interact with that, and most of these questions can be answered by that chat board. So if you look at all these different examples, it's helping the educator, it's expediting their process and also helping them to be available all the time, not physically but virtually. And on the other hand, uh using this AI, as an educator, I can get the real-time like statistics, real-time insights, how my learner learners are experiencing what is the progress they are making on these things. And that can help me to make the CN that okay, what should be the next step with this particular learner or students, and I can have more personalized like experience with that learner. So end-to-end AI is like helping me uh as a like tutor or as an educator to be more like uh like uh generating output and having having good results at the day end.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

And how can they balance that with that's just work, how can they balance that with stuff that they got going on with their family and their personal lives, um and then professional. I mean, that is professionally, but how can they also balance that outside of work too?

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Yeah, so when you use the AI, I mean definitely your speed is 10x, like instead of doing everything. So you got a plenty of time. Like the way I mentioned, if you are able to like train one of your own chatbots or model, it can do a lot of your work, like it can answer real time any query coming from your like students or learners. So you got a plenty of time and you can do whatever. I think it's it's it's going to make life easier. And then you don't need to repeat each and everything. Once you have like train that model or once you have negative that content, the same can be done again and again using the AI without needing like my own time. And it it I I can easily like focus on the other stuff.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Yeah, and uh, would you agree, Mohammed, that with AI you could perhaps create a framework or frame um that will make your time more efficient whenever you're kind of like, I don't know, having a grading system or like um trying to have a better understanding of your students uh to create that individualized learning experience for them.

Frameworks For Grading And Feedback

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Yes, we I mean we can the educators they can create a creek complete framework and they can have like all their KPIs filled in, starting from like uh let's let's start from first of all, as educators they need to create the content, then from that content they need to make sure it's it's having in the form that the learners can easily understand, and then out of that content, having the personalization, quizzes, assessment, then their grading, and on a next level, if there are any queries or cross-quest questioning coming, how to automate that and answer back, and then like final certificate generation about that particular like uh course or whatever content they are delivering. So, in all these areas, and even in the attendance and also seeing the real-time grading, feedback, who is spending time, who is studying, who's not studying? All this can be put into a framework, and it can save a lot of time on the educator side, but still doing a better job than without AI.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Awesome, awesome. Yeah, and hey Mohammed, you you you mentioned how you use AI plenty of different times. You regularly use AI tools in your work. What's one practical way educators can start using AI responsibly right now?

Simulations In Aviation And Healthcare

SPEAKER_01 30:12

So I think uh if I give you the real-time examples, like uh in all days, like right now, I have seen this like in aviation and healthcare trainings, like especially in the aviation industry, like there are a lot of flight simulators that are using AI for years, right? Where they they they have to like they have replicated the complete environment, real-time traffic, weather, all the scenarios of the crashes and whatever has happened, and all the like corner cases that come day to day in the aviation industry. And the pilot can just practice over that instead of going to the real like plane and playing with that. So look at the value that it has created overall, right? And similarly, if I talk about healthcare, I mean, when you go to the complex procedures or complex like uh body functions, instead of reading the long manuals and books, if I can have a simulation or if I can have visualization that how this procedure is going to be performed and step by step or how these body organs are going to work with the real-time visualization and uh like real-time visuals, I think that is going to create a lot of uh like adaptive learning experience for the learners. So these are like two of the examples that uh just came to my mind. But look at the value that similarly we can create in the other fields, like whether it is complex, like uh chemistry, like formula for any particular chemicals, or whether it's a complex mathematical formula or any kind of like physics problem that we can solve or we can stimulate to see the real time before we experience in the real life. So it's definitely like uh uh like mind-blowing and game game-changing if we adopt it and if we use it right way to translate the complex learning and uh concept into a similar way.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Yeah, and I I I I want to go back to something you said in the past, right? Is that it opens the door for more innovation, right? Yeah, it's that opportunity to become more innovative, right? Because instead of spending so much time on a manual trying to understand the complexities of that manual, you can simply put it in AI and it's not cutting corners, you're not taking a shortcut, but you're simply asking it, hey, take this 500-page book and turn it into a one-pager so I can easily understand it. All right. Thank you, Mohammed, for sharing that.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yeah, so one of the examples is like uh my son who is in just in sixth grade, he's like uh he he has a lot of interest in like aviation and flights. He has been seeing a lot of videos about that, how aeroplane functions and what are the different reasons for what are different types of aircraft, and then what are the reasons for crashes? So uh we were just having a discussion, he was looking that okay, on the on my next birthday, I wanted to buy a flight simulator so I can start practicing the thing. So look, look how it has made the things easier for everyone. Instead of going through a like uh particular like aviation school and all that stuff and going to a real-time examples. I mean, through AI and through these tools and automation, I mean you can learn anything. I mean, it's it's about your will, what you want to do.

The Next Five Years In EdTech

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Yeah, that's that's great, man. And and you shared, you really shared about how learners shouldn't feel intimidated by using new tools, but sort of embracing them and knowing like, hey, you can take this and you can become more creative, you can become more innovative. Um, basically, this is an assistant to you, it shouldn't be a barrier. Um, I thank you for sharing those insights and like easing people's minds um without making them feel overwhelmed and taking these new technologies. But Mohammed, we're coming to the end of our our our feature, our conversation. I want you to think forward, think into the future. Five years from now, what do you hope technology integration in education looks like? And what's one takeaway you want listeners to leave with to today?

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yeah, so Juan, right now, like uh the market size for egg tech or e-learning is around$50 billion, and by 2030, it's estimated to be around$90 billion, right? And the areas that I see using the automation tool, technology, and AI, as we have been discussing throughout this podcast, first of all, there's a lot of going to be adaptive and personalized learning paths for learners, for students. Uh, the next thing is that there will be a lot of AI-generated and automated content. Uh, there will be productive analysis and skill cap insights, like where the students are lacking, what what gaps we have, and then helping those students with the more personalized content. We will also see over these five years a lot of virtual assistants, a lot of chat boards, the thing that we were discussing, that educator can train a custom board or custom like LLM, which can handle a lot of queries and a lot of like uh questions from the learner and student side. And then you know, uh as we expand around the globe, so we we will see like a lot of this like content is accessible to different languages, to different regions, and we will see the language support for that. And the last thing, uh the last area that I see that we will be seeing like real-time feedback from the learner side as well as from the educator side, and then the adaptive assessment according to those. So these are the six areas that I see going to be having a lot of innovation in five years. And uh, if I talk about uh the takeaway today, it's simple. If the technology doesn't make learning clearer, like more simpler, it's not doing its job.

Rapid-Fire: Cars, Bugatti, And AR

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Thank you for saying that. So if it's not making it clearer, it's not making it simple, it's not doing its job. Yep. Hey Mohammed man, this is a great conversation. But before we close out, I do want to ask some fun questions. Um, and these are just questions to like humanize it, just to make the experience learn um exciting for stuff for our listeners. So just real simple, right? Pick one superheroes or cars? Cars. Cars. Okay, if you could be one car right now, which car would it be and why?

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Yeah, so it will be Bugatti and why, because my sal like that a lot.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

The Bugatti, nice, that's an awesome pick. And how would you integrate any technology into it?

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Like uh VR, like virtual reality and augmented reality. Like if you are driving and it has like automated sensors which can give the visibility, okay, what are all the nearby attractions, and if there is any like uh roadblock or anything ahead of us, it can just display on the wind screen. Yeah.

Closing Reflection And Share Prompt

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Awesome, awesome. Mohammed, that was a great answer, man. Thank you for sharing uh you'll be a Bugatti with some augmented reality, just kind of showcasing everything that's in your surrounding. And that's a powerful thing. Mohammed, I appreciate you having this conversation with you. I appreciate you being here with us. Um, but before we wrap up, just take a moment to think about this. Is technology you're using right now actually helping people learn or just adding more noise? Mohammed reminded us today what technology works best when it's simplified, when it empowers, and when it supports growth and it doesn't overwhelm. If something in this episode resonated with you, share with your colleague, share with a team, or someone that's navigating through technology and education. This podcast is about learning together, experimenting together, and building better systems together. Thank you for listening to EdTech Empowerment Innovating Education Together. We'll see you next episode. Mohammed, thanks again. Thank you.